XILS3's future development suggestions thread

[xavier]

One more thing, I dont know whether its possible, or how it works for windows, but on osx its impossible to have both xils LE and Full version installed at the same time. Would it be possible to call Xils LE "Xils LE" in folder name and maybe even component/vst name? Would just be great to have LE when the iloks not around.

Thanks!

For the moment, it is not really possible : I did this in order to keep project/presets compatibility between LE and full when upgrading.
On windows and VST format you can rename the .dll. I'm not sure you can do it on OSX. This can be done only in VST and will use the same installation folder.
But in the following months, an independent update will be released, and then the both plug-in will be provide at the same time. But you have to wait a little !

Hey Xavier, the beta dmg isnt opening on osx 10.6.4 "the following disk images could not be opened. Reason: Not recognised"

That's strange, maybe the upload wasn't correct.

I just update this beta : The level can be modulated as an audio source but also when used as a modulator.

I hope it will fit better your wish !

Best regards
Xavier

[xuoham]

I just update this beta : The level can be modulated as an audio source but also when used as a modulator.

I hope it will fit better your wish !

Sure, it does ! Hey, that was fast indeed. I thought it would be more problematic. Thank you !

[xuoham]

Wow ! ... Héhéhé !

Xavier, you did a wonderful work !

Like they say : "it just works ! " hahaha

A dream came true !

I wish i had some more time to test but i'm too busy this/next week.

I only had some little time to play with percussive sounds :
Double Ring Mod (osc 1,2 modulating osc 3's volume) and 2 operator FM- is this really FM actually ? - (osc 1,2,3 modulating osc 1,2,3's frequency in different configurations, with the envelopes modulating the modulator's volume).

Great nasty sounds, XILS3 really gains some bite and snap ! Even on short sounds like percussive sounds, you can go really complex, while still retaining XILS3's quirkiness, organic flavor and dirt.

All the more a good thing that you "hardwired" the noise to the S&H because it's very easy to full up the 4 destinations in the matrix.


Seriously, this really kicks ass !!

Good Lord ! Merci ! Merci ! Merci ! I feel like Christian Vander !

(i know, completely OT, et aucun rapport avec le sujet, mais étant expatrié, un synthé originellement issu des 70's et Mr Celmar dans les parages j'ai comme un petit retour d'acide hips, pardon me, Magma / Offering )


ah i almost forgot, i'm so excited : a small bug apparently ? When you change a patch with "save as" the older original patch moves to the destination and the new patch takes the place of the original one ... hmmmm ... did i miss something ?

[xavier]

Thanks for the test and your enthusiastic comments !

ah i almost forgot, i'm so excited : a small bug apparently ? When you change a patch with "save as" the older original patch moves to the destination and the new patch takes the place of the original one ... hmmmm ... did i miss something ?

I just fixed a problem which should explain what you get (I hope so !)

So it seems we are close to the release : Just to add a parameter allowing the ring-mod to remove the constant value (DC) at its input.

About FM : it is a real FM : the frequency of the oscillators is modulate for each received sample, But on the contrary of the real thing, there is a buffer between the output and in the input of the oscillators. Oscillators are calculated from 1 to 3. This means that if you are modulating oscillator 3 with 1, there won't be any delay. But when the oscillator 3 is modulating the Oscillator 1, there will be a delay around 1 ms. This effect is not important in most of the case, but when there is a loop (osc 1 -> osc2 -> osc1), you won't get the same result you could have with a hardware.

Best regards
Xavier

[xuoham]

About FM : it is a real FM : the frequency of the oscillators is modulate for each received sample, But on the contrary of the real thing, there is a buffer between the output and in the input of the oscillators. Oscillators are calculated from 1 to 3. This means that if you are modulating oscillator 3 with 1, there won't be any delay. But when the oscillator 3 is modulating the Oscillator 1, there will be a delay around 1 ms. This effect is not important in most of the case, but when there is a loop (osc 1 -> osc2 -> osc1), you won't get the same result you could have with a hardware.
Xavier

Interesting ...
Thank you.

Looking forward to the release.

[iris186]

II can safely say I dont understand the S&H FM. So, S&H is sample and hold, and you usually control S&H with a noise input or lfo. And then I can use that to control filter/output etc. But, since S&H FM is only controllable, is it really "S&H FM in"? Then is there an out?

[xuoham]

But, since S&H FM is only controllable, is it really "S&H FM in"? Then is there an out?

I can safely say i don't understand what you say.
What do you mean by "S&H FM is only controllable" ?

Or is it that the FM label is confusing you ? How i understood it is that S&H FM = S&H rate modulation.
Nothing to do with FM synthesis mentioned above.
So no S&H FM out, of course.

Or is it something else your trying to say ?

[iris186]

Ok, i understand now. Thanks. What I meant by "only controllable" was just I didnt understand It was basically just control over another knob in the S&H module. And wasnt getting any changes to my patches when I had it connected in the destinations matrix. But now itll be alot easier. Learning as I go! Speaking of FM, I was trying it out last night - without 2 sine waves is it almost impossible to get anything that isnt uncontrollable noise? I know that I can use the filter in self oscillation to generate a sine, but when I used that as the modulator I wasnt getting any interesting sounds. And also then I couldnt modulate the filter level knob to change tones. So do youve a routing that seems to work for you, or do you just build a patch around the noise from using a combination of oscillators 1, 2 and 3 you mentioned in your previos post? Thanks for youre help!

[xuoham]

Hi Iris,

...I couldnt modulate the filter level knob to change tones

Do you mean that whatever note you play the filter's frequency wouldn't move ? If so, it's because you have to assign kb1 or kb2 to its frequency in the matrix on the left.

But regardless, me too, i gave up on the filter's self resonance, it just gives a flabby, dirty sine wave unusable for FM.
On the other hand you can get very good results with the saw (of course i wish that osc.2 too could generate a sine ).
The secret is in the modulating osc. levels, they have to be at subtle levels.
Also, their frequency is important, you could experiment with this a little more.
XILS3 is such a nervous and unpredictable animal that sometimes a little twist of a knob can really make a big difference.

Actually, i was reading your last post and you inspired me this idea : how about modulating osc.1 sine with the saws of osc.2,3, but after passing those into the filter ? i-e, osc.2,3 >>>> filter audio in >>> filter audio out>>>>osc.1 frequency. Yes ! Maybe it works good ! Too bad, i have no time to try now... And i would definitely assign the filter to the keyboard track so that the two saws get properly filtered. A saw that is properly filtered proportionally to its frequency (again, kb1 or kb2 to filt. freq. in the matrix ) can be a little bit like a sine on the whole keyboard range, or a least less harsh a modulator as a pure saw.

That said, i would never try to get from XILS3 some nice consonant FM, it's not really a synth for electric pianos, hahaha !
But strange FM sounds are really feasible. And coupled with ring modulation it starts sounding really sick.

Also, modulating the filter frequency with an oscillator gives very nice results and you can apply the static output filters to tame the harshness, since the filter is already in use. And now, since we're so lucky enough to have a super hyper VCS3 that can have its osc. volumes modulated, you don't really need dynamic filtering. Just taming or increasing the modulating osc.'s level will brighten or dampen the sound.

The modularity of XILS3 is really so much fun to experiment, and man, it sounds so juicy
I'm starting to love this synth just for itself, without even having a musical purpose, i just love to hear it.
I'm in trouble now...

Cheers

[xavier]

I'm glad you are speaking together about sounds and synthesis you are trying to get or would like to get
I'm not a sound designer, so I don't really don't know what should be the ultimate modular synth especially related to the FM synthesis.
(I just can make sound with subtractive rules).
So feel free to expose here your wishes ( for instance I just read above that it would be useful for FM to have a sine wave for osc 2).

As I said the XILS 3 won't progress any more, but the XILS XXX will !

Best regards
Xavier